Here is what I would do. Home / Rods / The Dobyns CHAMPION XP Series / Champion XP Frogs, Pitch & Flip / DC 735C SH DC 735C SH $ 269.99 Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 10 customer ratings ( 10 customer reviews) Add to cart More Information Reviews (10) WARNING - CA PROP 65 I asked about them at the classic and was told they are all gone. I don't think you could go wrong either way but for me I would spend 170 on the Dobyns and get some other goodies with the extra 30 bucks. Unless you really don't want casting, in which case sure get two spinning rods. This is a combination of Gary Dobyns playing with new materials and our customers asking for full handle casting rods and slightly faster actions. I don't have anywhere nearby that I can visit and try these rods. Call Dobyns and ask if they have anymore of the Kadens. Man I love that these are slightly slower rods! By swapping bait cast reels between FC , braid or even mono main lines can add versatility to the Sierra 734c. * Price comparisons are based on the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price ("MSRP") or Original Selling Price. $349.99 - $359.99 Dobyns Champion Extreme HP Split Grip Casting Rods I messed around with one last week. Would both of these handle Hollow Body frog fishing in heavy vegetation? Call each store and see what each one has in stock. Delivering top-of-the-line performance like only Dobyns Rods can, no expense was spared with the . Like my other Dobyns rods a lot. 530-671-1989 THX A TON GUYS!!!! I like my Furys for what they are, entry level if I did it all over again. I own the 704c & the 735c, in my opinion the split grip is much more sensitive & just an all around better rod. I have a neat way to get questions answered directly from Gary Dobyns himself. Between your two choices, Dobyns Sierra or Champion are good all around rods. With my Helios shattering on hookset, I am now considering other options for frog rod (I do plan on reaching out to their warranty department tomorrow, but the rod doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies anymore). Weightless Texas Rig - Zoom Finesse Trick Worms or Swampcrawlers. The Kaden Series was actually "fish tested" for several months by Dobyns customers. The difference between each of these 5 powers is a LOT!! Avid's are sure nice though. You can post now and register later. Dobyns started off with the Champion Series ($229 and up) and Champion Extreme ($339 and up) and those are the rods that built their great reputation. I'm hooked, Exclusive offers sent right to your inbox. I don't throw really big rip baits so these two models work really well. Copyright 1997-2023 The Ultimate Bass Fishing Resource Guide LLC All rights reserved. The lose of 3" didn't seem to make a difference. The rod is very comfortable and well balanced. Both these rods are super versatile, the 735 is one of the best frog rods you can get for the money. I have both Sierra and Champion rods. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. First trip out with it to Clear Lake I pulled a 5 abs several 3's out of the tules with ease. Pasted as rich text. wh2004. So I own both champions (744c jig special, 763s) and sierra's (2x 733) in different applications. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below. New to this forum but have been fishing dobyns rods for 2 years now and love them. Great write-up, I am now seriously looking into these rods. Read This Before Posting! News:Forum updated, problems HERE if you see any! Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below. The 744C is very fast and is a jig special. Moving to the XPs is for rod selection, Many specialty rods in the champion series, or for sensitivity. You can try to convince me to try and switch to straight fluro, but I've had some issues with fluro in the past and line twist is still a pain. I have a few Sierras and I feel as if their MH is actually a Medium in other rods. Gary Dobyns wrote: The 766 Flip is my personal Flipping rod choice. for light wire Football Jigs (3/8th oz. I keep . What would you guys say are the best benefits to a dobyn vs st. Read This Before Posting! Delivering top-of-the-line performance like only Dobyns Rods can, no expense was spared with the new Dobyns Champion Extreme HP Spinning Rods. Depends on how many other rods you have, OP. Always been a loomis guy but slowly switch to all dobyns and diawas!From: Blake: berea, KY 8/3/20. It all depends on what you are looking to do with the rod. I bought two more 744 rods this year with the sales. with #15 lb. They fished slow to me. Privacy Statement. Once locked in I have not found Dobyns rods to be lacking in power although their upper lure ratings are optimistic. I remember when my 734 was the most powerful rod I had other than my punch rod and it was fantastic as a jig rod. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. I'll be using Braid to Leader and I will be tying an Alberto knot for the connection. One is in Oshkosh and the other in Appleton. Dobyns Sierra vs. Copyright 1997-2023 The Ultimate Bass Fishing Resource Guide LLC All rights reserved. For all of you Dobyns haters.. #13671849 08/18/20 04:36 AM: Joined: Feb 2017. The Fury MH fishes like a M to me. Read This Before Posting! Well that is my opinion and it is worth exactly what you paid for it. I'd like it to be 6'6" - 6'10" if possible - I'm a shore fisherman, there are a lot of bushes and overhanging trees and the pond isn't that big anyways. I use a champion xp 736 for my frog rod, l would say its lighter than my Sierra 734s by the way it fishes, but thats me, I never weighed them so I dont have scientific facts. Just IMHO. You cannot paste images directly. Go get it now. I really like my Sierra rods, but I'm looking for a good TX rig rod. Bad Behavior has blocked 1137 access attempts in the last 7 days. This year I started throwing 10" worms, 3/8 + 1/2 chatter baits, 2.5 square bills, 3/4 Red Eye Shads, and 1/2 double colorado spinnerbaits. I wouldn't tie on a 3/8-1/2oz chatterbait on it, seems a bit too light to me. Never made any sense to me if the 735C is supposed to be a stouter rod which it is only listed as a Med-Hvy. I was wondering if I should get the fury, Sierra or champion xp. It was the Fury 734C all purpose, then I got a frog rod 735C. They were very nice rods, just not exactly fast enough. Paired with a SMOKE S3, 20 lb braid, and 12 lb Berkley Pro leader, the rod telegraphs every vibration and tap. Bad shoulders lead me to look for a better option to reduce fatigue. I just got a 733C F/H and I am very very impressed with the rod. both champion series. Personally I really like the Sierra series. The 735C is really nice but the sweet spot is 1/2 ounce. WATCH RELATED: Rigging a Bubba Shot with Gary Dobyns A Missing Segment. But, since you will be doing some pitching, you might like a softer tip. With that being said, the 733C is great for just about everything I throw from 1/8 ounce texas rigged senkos to 3/8 ounce spinnerbaits. This material may not be posted on another website. Your link has been automatically embedded. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Ilike the balance and sensitivity of the Dobyns. I only have Champions in rods I can't get in the Sierra series. This material may not be posted on another website. But they aren't budget rods. I did save $40.00 on my Sierra rod, so every now and then you can find some good deals online. You mentioned the Savvy series. You need the 684. You cannot paste images directly. Evgen if you did you will not be disappointed. I like my rods on the slower side of fast so that is welcoming. First impression was that this rod was light, incredibly well-balanced, and very stout. football jigs works well as they have lighter hooks Standard flipping jigs with heavier hooks go with a 735c. Nor may it be copied, published, rewritten, or redistributed. I personally like this since it allows me to work a bait alittle more effectively. L. Joined: Feb 2017. They're not as sensitive as some other rods in my arsenal but for what I use them for they work well. In fairness, they were casting and not spinning. A 5 power in a crank bait rod is a Med/Hvy also but in Cranking category. Very lightweight, sensitive, and balanced. Really this is a good utility rod, although I still think the Sierra is more versatile due to its more moderate action. These rods are not as sensitive as G. Loomis. Seriously if I just handed you a Sierra rod and you were not aware of the price you would expect the price to be double what Gary sells it for. Pasted as rich text. It is worth every penny! I fished them for 10 or 12 days before selling them, I just did not like them they fished to light. I will b using it for bottom contact finesse baits, Sencos, tubes, snakey heads etc. Sometime larger top water baits are thrown on it like Super Spooks and other moving baits like Keitechs. That being on the softer less rigid side (in my opinion). By *Wildcard set up* : Try using the Sierra 734c. The ultra sensitive yet durable graphite blanks are perfectly balanced with precise actions and tapers, and the new Fuji tangle-free K-guides with Alconite inserts also offer greatly improved durability, as well as, increased casting performance. If you're looking for sensitivity for something like a bottom contact rod, I'd recommend the Sierra or Champ, whichever you can afford. I've come across a lot of forums that say the power on Dobyns rods are actually one step less than they're advertised. They are listed as a Dobyns dealer but may not stock what you want. I see it rating starts right at 1/4oz,I mostly throw 1/4 and 3/8 finesse, pitching and swimjigs. I have a 733 Fury that I only occasionally use for lighter moving baits, not enough backbone to drive a non-exposed hook. & 1/2 oz.) Otherwise there are two locations listed for a tackle dealer called The Reel Shot in Wisconsin. Can't say for sure I've never held one. Bass Rutten croix.? Thanks, everyone! Dobyns Champion XP Spinning Rods. Upload or insert images from URL. I don't believe so, I have used Colt, Fury, Sierra, Savy, Kaden, Champion, and Champion Extreme and have found that the Fury , Kaden, and Champion Extreme are more rigid than the Colt, Sierra, or Champion. That series was one of the biggest sellers forDobyns, He has said numerous times he does not personally believe in micro guides but customers hounded him for a micro series. They were a little long for him so he did not like them. Comments: The 744 has become my favorite rod in the boat during 2021. Get one spinning and one casting. The price on the Sierra is about the same as a Savvy so it makes no sense to have both. . I own the 703sf and 735c in the Fury line and have handled the 795c regularly. Copyright 1997-2023 The Ultimate Bass Fishing Resource Guide LLC All rights reserved. I am inclined to disagree with these speculations but was wondering if anyone can enlighten me on what makes the blanks more sensitive and worth the extra $70? I would not use for frog rod or jig rod. The Sierra's are fine rods. It's rated 1/4-3-4, I went up to 1/2oz lures and it did well. Are they the same across all series? For the weight range specified, the 734C would be a better match. Display as a link instead, Dobyns rates their rods from 1 to 6 1= Light 2= Medium Light 3 = Medium 4= Medium Heavy 5= Heavy 6 = Extra Heavy, The tip is probably what you are sensing as less rigid as the 3 is usually a moderate fast (slower recovery). There are separate rating systems in rod categories. Dobyns Champion XP 683 or 684 for all around casting rod? Balance can make a heavy rod feel light, and make a light rod feel heavy. Or does the actions and powers vary enough from series to series that a medium heavy fast in the sierra or champion series would be different than the Fury series? Don't underestimate the 685CB Champion XP, that rig is awesome for jerkbaits, poppers, and 6th Sense Munch 40s, Mini X 25 and Curve Finesse Squarebills, in fact, I wouldn't hesitate to throw a Squarebill 1.5 on it or even a 2.5. You can post now and register later. All Rights Reserved. The Sierra has a tad more tip action which I really like. Thank you for the responses, since this post I have acquired a megabass perfect pitch for jig fishing. If I could only choose one it would be the Sierra. I have the choice between a dobyns 703 and a dobyns 704 for texas rigs. I originally bought it for only jigs. $349.99 - $359.99. Your link has been automatically embedded. It is way cool to hear from the master wizard himself. I've got a fury medon my spinning outfit. The feedback has been exceptional and Dobyns is happy to introduce a new series of rods. Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. In your hand it will feel super light thanks to good blanks, no over powering fancy finishes that deaden the rod and good quality components. Home / The Dobyns Champion XP Series The new standard for sensitivity, strength, weight and balance and now featuring Fuji Guides! Either way I'd go with a 4 power. I needed a jig and worm rod, so I got a 744C. Some reports of Dobyns and QC issues, at least that is what I recall reading pre-doomsday on TT. . I was just going to PM you about how you like the Helios. FEATURES: High modulus graphite blanks Fuji Alconite guides Fuji reel seats Kevlar wrapping Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. I owned a Savvy 703SF and paired it with a Stradic 3000. In my opinion the jump to the Sierra is bigger than the St Croix rods. It's an excellent rod for moving baits! Please comment if you have any experience with some of these rods or if you had any other suggestions! Comments:I have several Dobyns rods in the Sierra and Fury series and wanted to take the step up into the Champions. If you are considering an Avid X then you are looking at paying roughly $200 depending on the rod. A 5 power in a jig rod is Mag-Hvy or some companies call it XX Heavy. Half ounce and 3/4 oz jigs can be fished close and far. I own 49 rods & am in the process of switching to nothing but Dobyns. I have no clue what the actual material make up percentages of the blank are. Balance of the rod and reel is very important to me as tip heavy rods is a burden after a few hours of fishing. Not because i thought Dobyns was superior i just wanted something different. Privacy Statement. Typical Finesse Tactics (1/10oz - 1/4 oz), Weightless Texas Rig - Zoom Finesse Trick Worms or Swampcrawlers, Weightless Wacky Rig - Zoom Finesse Trick worms or Roboworms, Dobyns Sierra 683CF Casting Rod with Daiwa Tatula 100 w/ 30 lb braid 8 or 10 lb leader - Used for 1/8oz weighted Texas Rigs or Finesse Jigs, Dobyns Sierra 683CF Casting Rod with Pflueger President XT Baitcaster w/ 20 lb braid 8 lb leader- Weightless Texas Rigs(Flukes and worms), Daiwa AIRD-X 6'6" ML F Spinning Rod with Daiwa BG 2500 w/ 20 lb braid 6 lb leader- Current Finesse Setup, Daiwa Presso 6' UL F Spinning Rod with Pflueger President 20 w/ 4 lb mono - Panfish Setup, H2O XPress 7' Medium Spinning Rod with Okuma Epixor XT 30 w/ 8 lb Hybrid - Buddy Setup if I take anyone else fishing. You cannot paste images directly. Clear editor. for 3/8th and 1/2 oz. I had such good success with it I sent Dobyns Rods an e-mail telling them about it. PatrickKnight Any thoughts and advice would be very much appreciated! FEATURES: Fish them side by side and it's not hard discern that. My friend Kris is replacing mostof his other rods with Dobyns Fury, and they are really nice rods, but my Champs are a world above them.The Sierras are only a tick slower in action and if you never fishthe same rod in bothlines you will never no it. i use 1/4 - 3/8 oz t rigs with mostly craws and 7' worms what would be better? I'm glad I did, but the Sierra definitely has its place in my arsenal. Actual sales may not have occurred at this price. It doesn't matter whether you get the savvy, champion, champ XP, or the extreme. DC 703C - Dobyns Rods When Fishing is More Than Just a Hobby! With braid itsa great frog rod, can punch with it too. It's a power house rod. Comments: I got my first Dobyns rod a few years ago. I'm just a fully satisfied Dobyns customer. I would definitely go up to the champion extreme series if I was looking for bottom contact only; however, I am on a budget and need all purpose rods. 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Go put a reel on them and see what you like best In general it looks like about an hour and a half or so journey to the Appleton location and a bit less to the Oshkosh location. The Fury line was another answer to a LOUD roar from dealers and customers for a rod below the highly competitive $150 mark. OhNoillegalfish I like them both but the solid feel of the arc when I've got a fish on the line with the glass has made me a convert. Very nice choice. The Sierra rod are a touch slower graphite then the Champions but almost as sensitive. Both are excellent in their own right but the Champions are a step above. and our It's for big line, big jigs and big fish. I can say with full confidence that Sierra and Champions being only cosmetically different is false. This is critical. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. DFW. I have a Fury 703c and it's very versatile for any lure in those weights. There is a tackle shop inOconomowoc, WI called Get Hooked Outdoors. 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