And he was an idol of Jean-Claude's too.Blake Harris: Yeah? How did that happen? And, like I said, it got me my first agent, a guy named Harold Moskowitz[starts laughing] who, a little while later, was looking for help with another one of his clients. On this episode of Matinee Monday, Paul Scheer looks back at the "How Did This Get Made?" episode with Nicole Byer on the 1988 cult f. So when he heard that there was another movie with Van Dammeand this time Van Damme was starring in itSammy was totally enthusiastic. They each got three chances to punch (and block) one another. Frank and I did write a couple of scripts together, and he received credit on both of them. Because believe it or not, Robert DuBois truly was the man known for shooting the Man of Steel with a bullet in DC canon. Plus, Bloodsport's connection with Flagg made the dynamic even better. "He's written this Vietnam novel," my agent said, "that the novel's way too long and overwritten. Jean-Claude saw Menahem on the street, did a U-Turn and said, "Hey Menahem, remember me? Are you kidding me? Only the part relating to the Kumite because he was going to hang on to the rest of his rights for the rest of his "exploits" for other movies. This regular featureis written byBlake J. Harris, who you might know as the writer ofthe bookConsole Wars, soon to be a motion pictureproduced bySeth RogenandEvan Goldberg. But I got over it.Blake Harris: Well, given that physically you were not a prime candidate for hand-to-hand combat, how did the idea of martial arts even first cross your radar?Frank Dux: As a kid, as a young kid, I was a James Bond fan. he's a terrible actor. Pushed too farand generally all three words would appear on screenthat was big in the 80s. He remembered that there were different shots. Mind you, he's alleging: You're gonna tell me a receipt floated around from 1980 to 1988? You had mentioned that you and Sheldon reshaped that original script. And he knows it. But Michael Dudikoff is like 6'2," and the problem was they wanted to film in Asia. Enter the Ninja?Sheldon Lettich: No, there was no script prior to the "Bloodsport" script. So these kids kind of grew up together. Though defeated, this wasn't the last the heroes of the DC Universe saw of Bloodsport. The one thing that we did that made the film work so well is that we would do one "twinning shot" per scene. Why don't you go check it out?" The official budget's $1.2 million but I was told that we did that filmbelow the linefor under half a million bucks. And, at that lunch, Mark agreed and hired me to write the script for Bloodsport.Blake Harris: Frank mentioned he already had a script? That kind of caught my fancy. "There is not Mr. Tanaka in Japanese history" of the Ninja families, Tanemura said. If it's Stallone: no problem, he can kill me on screen at the end.Blake Harris: The ultimate complimentSheldon Lettich: Ha, yes.Blake Harris: Speaking of Jean-Claude, I imagine that you first met him around this time. They'll cover Frank Dux being a real man, Van Damme's soft baby b. I mean, he couldn't do a throw. And we did. You can listen to theBloodsportedition of the HDTGM podcasthere. And for three months prior to filming, Jean-Claude would come to my studio after I finished classes, he would show up at like 9 o'clock and I would train him in movie fighting.Blake Harris: How skilled was he? This regular featureis written byBlake J. Harris, who you might know as the writer ofthe bookConsole Wars, soon to be a motion pictureproduced bySeth RogenandEvan Goldberg. Because my idea for Rambo III was: well, there's only one place Rambo could goAfghanistan. I always try to look for the best in people. A college football comedy, of all things, that took place at a black college in Texas during the 60s.Blake Harris: I think that also earns "left field" status.Sheldon Lettich: [laughing] Maybe. Everywhere else in my life I'm like a duck out of water, but put me in that arena and I just swim. And we were dogs being pitted against each other. That this guy looks just like me and we should suggest it to Mark DiSalle. KUMITE! There's an authenticity to it.Blake Harris: Speaking of authenticity, I was wondering how much of the movie is accurate to your own life experiences?Frank Dux: Well the fighting scenes were very accurate. Sheldon tells everybody that I told him a story of how I fought these events and he thought that would make a great movie and all this kind of stuff. He had a chance to read them. He's in a documentary saying this. Took me a long, long time to write that script. Well you know how that ended up. Plus, two cousins duke it out . They were supposed to present the supposed evidence that said things didn't exist. They passed on it. And he agreed to that. Even though we thought the movie was better, Menahem didn't. There's a birth certificate and a death certificate for him. And that's why I kept it kind of fictional. So Grant's dad, he basically saw that I was struggling to make money so our family could eat and I could buy myself shoes. They didn't know what to do, but they thought they'd give me a call. Released in 1988, Bloodsport tells the story of Frank Dux (Jean-Claude Van Damme), a captain in the U.S. Army and an experienced martial artist, who ignores his superiors and competes in an illegal martial arts tournament in Hong Kong. How involved were you with that reshaping?Frank Dux: Every day, when Sheldon was writing the script, I would be in the office with him and Mark DiSalle, the producer. And then Hollywood got to him and he started showing signs of manic depression, you know?Blake Harris: In what way?Frank Dux: I'll never forget. And tears started to form in my eyes. But Mark had permission to use his name and to basically say that this was a real story. And they weren't returning phone calls. Nowadays it's all kind of clich. Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. You try to get him to do a judo throw and he couldn't throw anybody. When I heard that name, it was like bells started ringing. And that piece, filled with accusations and allegations, continues even to this day cast doubt upon the reputation of Frank Dux. That's what really happened. This is the kind of bond we had. In the early to mid 90s, dinosaurs were soooo cool! It was offered to him and Seagal. I thought: Oh shit, I'm going to get my ass handed to me. This was all very, very low budget. So to compensate, they put me in these metal boots. Or, better yet, where does that phrase come from?Frank Dux: Oh, that's easy. Look, Stallone was the biggest star in the world at the time and to even have a meeting with him was, to me, a huge honor. In 1993, Dux got beaten up by a guy in the first tournament, a guy by the name of "Nasty" Zane Frazier, who is known for knocking himself out when he and his opponent rolled out of the ring and hit the floor. If he doesn't have any use for people, he throws them to the side. Jean-Claude's character comes to the US to help out his brother, not with anything like revenge or violence on his mind. He's a producer, he's got like 50 films under his belt. I never accused the military of doing it. Following his appearances in the two preceding sequels, Daniel Bernhardt returns in the new role of Agent John Keller, who goes into prison . And here it is, years later, I got to go with her and take it to the movies. And so he says yeah, sure, give it a shot. But he was telling me about this tournament that he participated in where all the best fighters in the world showed up. After directing Jean-Claude in Double Impact [1991] and Lionheart [1990] before that, was there any reason you didn't want to be involved with writing or directing?Sheldon Lettich: That was right after another movie I did called Only the Strong [1993] and I seemed to have a lot of other things going on. I didn't see it coming. On May 1, 1988, just over two months after Bloodsport hit theaters, John Johnson of the L.A. Times published this editorial:NINJA: Hero or Master Fake?Others Kick Holes in Fabled Past of Woodland Hills Martial Arts TeacherAs the title suggests, the piece isn't too kind to Dux. You know, there's a certain romanticism to that. And it became real clear and finallyI said show me the proof that I represented myself as a war hero, as a Medal of Honor hero? Bloodsport (1988) Starring Jean-Claude Van Damme and Forest Whitaker based on experiences in the life of martial artist Frank W. Dux My involvement in that tournament was part of a plan, launched in 1975, to infiltrate the criminal organizations that organized the fights. Now, Frank did contribute a number of ideas to the Bloodsport script, but he claimed these were "life events" that actually happened to him, not fiction. Jason and Paul chat about the latest Star Trek & Star Wars TV shows, Paul digs into Corrections and Omissions from The Specialist, shares a deleted scene from last week's episode about Steven Seagal's blues music career, and announces next week's movie. It's the amazing tale of Frank Dux, a Caucasian martial artist who fought in (and won) a ruthless secret tournament that's held only once every five years. But then Menahem decided he didn't want to make the movie.Blake Harris: Why?Sheldon Lettich: In his words, I'm quoting, "Jean-Claude can't even play one character, how do you expect him to play two?" He liked the authenticity in it and he'd heard about Tracers also. And everybody had their picture taken with me, and I don't recall anyone having their picture taken with Sheldon, outside of his friends. And regardless of what any critics may say or believe, I don't think anyone would argue that you weren't extremely talented. And because of the braces and how the legs were locked togethera steel bar locked them togetheryou couldn't even waddle, you know? "Blake Harris: That's great. So you have to get everyone on the same page and agree to make this movie. Sheldon Lettich: In Menahem's defense, I saw the first cutwe all the saw first cutand it was really bad. Both of them wanted to be the cop.Blake Harris: That's so funny (though it makes sense).Sheldon Lettich: It just couldn't be worked out so the project fell by the wayside until they got Stallone and Wesley Snipes to be in it. Blake Harris: So we know how Sheldon entered the picture, but how does Jean-Claude Van Damme become involved with Bloodsport?Frank Dux: Oh, Jean-Claude tells this crazy story. He frickin' landed on his head, in front of all my students. A secret martial arts contest? They'll cover Frank Dux being a real man, Van Damme's soft baby buns, blindfolded tea training, the not so secret illegal Kumite martial-arts tournament, Ray Jackson, and much more. Those were my uniforms. "Tagline:The True Story of an American Ninja, "All I request," Lettich started off by saying, "is that we try to keep discussion about Frank Dux to a minimum. For the first time in about 14 years. And that's what I found out later in life. So it should be a total of six blows, except this turned out to be a total of eight because of those two to Vic's head. Fun bit of trivia: Bloodsport is essentially a hoax perpetrated by Frank Dux, who made outrageous claims about this Kumite tournament that were never substantiated and are physically impossible. It was a moment where you have to sit back and realize that sometimes when you think something's wrong, everything is going right. Told that the tournament was a secret, he said: "We would know. Let's put Jean-Claude in. He couldn't say anything. But if they did Bloodsport, then they can do Timecop. It would have been an expensive movie. But Vic explained it to me. And I could see he was really contemplating it. More Like This Unspooled with Paul Scheer & Amy Nicholson Listen up, film fans! Bloodsport Coming Soon to Fortnite - YouTube 0:00 / 1:00 Bloodsport Coming Soon to Fortnite Fortnite 11.5M subscribers 1.6M views 1 year ago #Bloodsport #Fortnite #FortniteBloodsport. And that's how I ended up co-writing Rambo III with him. So my agent sent him Firebase and he responded very enthusiastically. They were doing a showing of Bloodsport in a theater in my old home town and I just happened to be visiting. For me, martial arts is just a release. So cool, in fact, that now we have a professional basketball team called The Raptors and no one raised an eyebrow about why a team from Tornoto, Canada would be named that. "Blake Harris: [laughter]Sheldon Lettich: I tried to make my case. It's a tale so amazing that two months after the film's release, it was dismissed by the L.A. Times as nothing but a fabricated "macho fantasy." We Hate Movies podcast did Timecop for one of their eps, and likewise, it is one of their best eps. I should mention that within hours of the piece begin published, we received several unsolicited e-mails from people who had been there and had a significantly different memory of the screening.Sheldon Lettich: [laughing] I'll let you readers draw their own conclusions. Jean-Claude is poison!! California, Oregon and Washington. And there's a census bureau report saying that he was exactly in the place I was when he trained me. You see it all the time. Kurt had played football at Prairie View College in the 60's. And if Jean-Claude had found out that I really was theat that time, the real force, if you wouldthat was giving him all these elements, Sheldon's usefulness would have been short-lived. He says, "I love you. In fact, that was the script for Stallone that Jean-Claude gave me some dialogue help with.Blake Harris: Ah, right after Bloodsport. How much of the story really happened? That's water off my back. He was just polite. When he saw he had to walk [across] an I-beam to me, and I threw a jumping spin heel kick on the ledge of the building there, he goes: Holy shit." You spent almost four years in the U.S. Marine Corps, is that correct?Sheldon Lettich: Yeah, I served as a radio operator in South Vietnam and then later with 1st Force Reconnaissance Company based at Camp Pendleton, California.Blake Harris: So how did you go about making that enormous transition from wartime soldier to Hollywood writer?Sheldon Lettich: Well, surprisingly enough, my first success came in the theater. And I showed them, here's an issue of Black Belt magazine from two years prior to this; and here's a photo of me in that magazine from January 1976 right after I won it, holding the trophy. So he was just trying to get me in trouble.Blake Harris: What, in your opinion, was his motive?Frank Dux: Well, the thing is, the article came out on the same day that a few of my business competitors are holding a seminar. So we had a number of people come to my apartment; John would test them out for their acting abilities and we would also try to determine if they were for real.Blake Harris: In what sense?Sheldon Lettich: Oh, I just meant we'd try to determine if they were really Vietnam veterans. Start Free Trial. And then Gary Sinese saw the play in New York and he wanted to put it on in Chicago. So he started taking me to construction sites where I could get work. In fact, we all went out to celebrate. So you know what that means. Blake Harris: You had mentioned earlier on that Bloodsport sat on the shelf for two yearsFrank Dux: Yeah, for two years it sat on the shelf. It was very time-consuming and it was not easy to match things up with the optical printer, but I thought we did a pretty good job of that. You're craaaaaaazy." I'd been writing screenplays and thinking about films, but what happened was an actor friend mine was reading Drama-Logue and saw an ad from this guy John Di Fusco looking for actors who were also Vietnam veterans. So I have all these memories of falling down stairs and crawling on my knees. I was afraid to taste it, because I'm allergic to shellfish. And that was the difference. In this video, I speak with the Dan. It was also seen by Viacom. Which kind of made Grant feel better about himself. I wasn't there. Like Bloodsport is one of his best movies ever but it still resulted in a great episode. One contribution I made to that script though was suggesting to Jean-Claude that he set the story in the past. He basically makes up these stories, casts himself as the leading character and somehow convinces himself that he really did this stuff. In downtown L.A. And I go: Well, just do me a favor. He's not very good, of course, but the judo instructor steps in for Barney and then kicks the ass of the guy who's been picking on him. I'm not gonna stoop to his level. Are you guys still friendly?Sheldon Lettich: Oh yeah. I walked over there and he threw a playful kick at my head. Stallone's original idea was that [Colonel Sam] Trautman comes to Rambo and says something like: hey, I got a mission for you in Afghanistan. And he did. But they still run it. And here's the thing that gets me about how stupid people are. And then there was the famous meeting between Jean-Claude and Menahem on La Cienega Boulevard. So flash forward ten years and I still had this notion of doing a film about the classic era of French Foreign Legion movie. After the fight, I go down to him and I said, "Hey, Mr. Moore, do you remember me?" Bloodsport 4: The Dark Kumite. I told Menahem that the new cut of Bloodsport was great and I thought it was going to do really well. But if we can cut it down, I think we can sell this novel. And I'd imitate him.Blake Harris: Do you remember how old you were around this time?Frank Dux: I was 11 years old. Blake Harris: Since martial arts is, and has been, such a large part of your life, I was wondering if it was also a large part of your childhood.Frank Dux: Actually, no. During that time, I gave Jean-Claude some odd jobs. I mean, they put it on the shelf for two years. Absolutely. ". By their own photographer. It took me years to understand the producer's point, but I do now. Plus the guy was just an idol of mine. What was he like?Frank Dux: He was wonderful. Bloodsport hospitalizing Superman was lifted directly from his first comic book appearance. You can't just go in there and get it. I don't know if they ever approached Michael Dudikoff, but basically the producers were in a quandary as to who to cast. At that point, it was to their advantage. It's hard to call the young Van Damme's performance "good" in any traditional sense of the word, but . Apparently, Stallone had read the same article and he was thinking exactly the same thing. Thus, gladiatorial combats originally possessed a sacred significance. "Blake Harris: So what eventually changed Menahem's mind? And so yeah. How else could you get a hold of this? And they wouldn't show it to me. "Frank Dux: Yeah. I really screwed up. And so how did you swivel from that experience into something in the film world?Sheldon Lettich: This will sound like it's coming completely out of left field, but the first time I actually got paid to write a script was a horror film that involved voodoo.Blake Harris: Yeah, I think that qualifies as "left field" status.Sheldon Lettich: [laughing] What happened was I had met [Blaxploitation star] Leon Isaac Kennedy, who wanted to option a script of mine. So I ended up writing that script for him. The film is partly based on unverified claims made by martial artist Frank Dux. He went in and redid it. He was actually going to come to that Bloodsport screening in North Hollywood [referenced in our conversation with Frank Dux]. KUMITE! Let's meet face to face. In the DC Extended Universe, Robert DuBois is played by Idris Elba in the . I said, "But I can see your view from here and how the world could look bleak." I imagine that would be hard for you to prove, no?Frank Dux: Well, that part about me saying that the military ordered my record sabotaged? It can't happen.". So any time you want to know who an agent is you can just go down there and file a request? Uh, no. LIVE from Largo in Los Angeles, Nicole Byer of Party Over Here joins Paul and Jason to discuss the cult 1988 Jean-Claude Van Damme martial-arts film Bloodsport. Another thing was that had I co-directed The Quest with Jean-Claude, it might have contributed to a mistaken notion that Jean-Claude co-directed Lionheart and Double Impact with me. I did some research and realized I wanted to do a French Foreign Legion movie. All that was missing was an actor to play Frank Dux. The one who's putting up his "dux? 8. (w/ Nicole Byer) 4/7/2023 More HDTGM all-star Nicole Byer (Grand Crew, Nailed It!) I was just at his house for New Year's Eve. As a result, he's spent the past 28 years dealing with perpetual allegations of being a fake and a fraud. And it's kind of funny because those are superfluous elements to the film. And I had read an article, in this magazine called M, about the French Foreign Legion. You know, where people go around wearing medals and talking about their fictional war exploits.Blake Harris: That actually makes for a good, non-Frank-related jumping off point. Nothing happened with that, but then he started paying me a little bit to write some scripts for him.Blake Harris: Did any of those get made?Sheldon Lettich: We got really close with one. And he did that to Sheldon several times. But to my pleasant surprise, Lettich was a complete gentleman. Mark was against it first, but I said, "Look, I can do a lot with this guy. "Blake Harris: Can I guess that the novel was The Last Rainbow [by Frank Dux]?Sheldon Lettich: Yup. I gotta tell you: Seeing it years later, I didn't realize how good it was. AVianes. Later on, Lee took Grant and showed him that one of his legs was shorter than the other. That's the thing. His point was that they just wanted to show it was a kid in trouble who could have gone down a different path, but martial arts puts him on the right path. We encountered a few phonies, but eventually we put together a core group. But what's crazy is almost everything he says in that interview is an outright lie or a distortion.Blake Harris: I've interviewed a lot of people in my timeincluding a lot of people I believe were trying to sell me on liesbut I never got the sense from Frank that he was trying to put one over on me. It was going to be a surprise appearance. What I said to them [the LA Times] was that the only way you could get a hold of my records was to go to Federal Intelligence Court. Originally he'd planned for it to take place in present day, but I just thought that if you've got all of these fighters coming from all of the world like they did in Bloodsportand basically he was just trying to do a different version of Bloodsportthat it would make things more interesting if, for example, this took place in the 1920s because then it becomes really difficult for all these fighters from different parts of the world to journey to this contest.Blake Harris: So Frank was originally hired to write the script for The Quest?Sheldon Lettich: Frank, and they actually put another writer on with Frank. He kept saying, "Jean-Claude is poison!" In fact, I never even got story credit for it.Blake Harris: That's rough.Frank Dux: Well, Sheldon has made a career out of coming in behind me and putting his name on my work, okay? You can listen to theBloodsportedition of the HDTGM podcasthere. She said, "Wait a minute, I'll be right back" and then comes in with the same magazine. And Tanaka was well known. Yet with Bloodsport, this was not the case. And on it, they didn't even spell my name correctly. What follows is a conversation with Sheldon Lettich, who was thescreenwriter ofthe movie Bloodsport. Menahem had also seen the little 16mm movie [Firefight] I directed and was going to give me my first directing deal.Blake Harris: For you to direct a Lone Wolf McQuade sequel starring Leon Isaac Kennedy and Chuck Norris?Sheldon Lettich: Yes, except that Chuck didn't want to do it. Menahem still thought it was a piece of s***.Blake Harris: How come?Sheldon Lettich: Well, I think this might answer your question. That editorial attributes statements to me that I never made. "Tagline:The True Story of an American Ninja. And Jean-Claude's phone began ringing off the hook. But he had a great imagination, he had good ideas and he knew the martial arts world pretty well. Why was that the case?Sheldon Lettich: Because Menahem thought it was terrible. Because he's riding on the coattails of Jean-Claude. And then all the Black Dragons got around methey were like the Hells Angels of the martial arts world at that timeand I didn't know what they were going to do. And he says, "What?" A good example of that is Bloodsport. That's how Frank and I met.Blake Harris: Do you remember what your first meeting was like?Sheldon Lettich: We hit it off right away. And then one day I get invited down to the Long Beach Invitationals. I genuinely believed that he believes everything he told me.Sheldon Lettich: I'd tend to agree with you on that. The other thing is that Jean-Claude, like I said, he had this uncanny way he looked. Then Jean-Claude came in and worked with Michael on the fight scenes, re-working those. And his wife and my wife became even closer friends. But I didn't sleep with a reporter beforehand and I certainly didn't break into my instructor's house and steal a sword. 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