In addition, Teena was mysogynistic in her abhorrence of womanhood. Just because he was born a female does not mean you cant call him by the correct prounons. She worked physical labor at a lumber yard. And what do we make of the report in the German academic article that gay cousins kicked Teena out because she brought violence to their home. Is it any wonder that came out of that time with a huge fear of being rejected and ended up on a downward spiral of drinking and chasing girls that let to get suicide attempt, and then ended up desperate to belong with the Falls City biker and burglary set? Teena was devastated by the final rejection from the military. His descriptions are great. Nothing I stated agrees with Lotter and Nissen (are you privy to their mindset, motivation, opinion, and argument as if they had a brain cell between them?) Lana, who in her youth resembled actress Jodie Foster, still has long beautiful strawberry blond hair. Teena was actually staying at Tom Nissens house. Crime is crime regardless of any so-called prejudice involved. Between the time she got kicked out of her prep school and the time the military finally rejected her, she could have gotten a GED (Graduation Equivalency Diploma). No visible means of support. But Lotter and Nissan dont have a whole lot at stake in that regard. They will spend the rest of their lives being known as heartless, cold blooded sociopaths who committed a TRIPLE HOMICIDE They are unlovable and unwanted as far as Im concerned.. Movie is a stylized and heavily fictionalized account of who Teena Brandons life and death. No matter who pulled the trigger? Lotter, whose criminal record traces back to a 1987 theft and escape conviction at age 16, occupies a cell on death row in the Tecumseh State Correctional Institution. That these women (usually) would themselves likely be victims of the person if free eludes them. Having agreed that Brandon is male your subsequent assertion either had to contradict that or was otiose. So, all hate crime is crime, but not all crime is a hate crime. If so they couldve affected her behaviour with the likes of Lotter. 1 Antagonist. But its hard to imagine that the justice system would give more credence to an intelligence test taken in prison than one given during childhood when the taker wasnt trying to appear compromised. Its an example of the distortion created by PC. I was able to find a trailer park in Lincoln, NE based on a description in his article. Be true to your heart and true to the truth, and it will never fail you if you have the courage. Life without parole is done with, while enabling opportunity to reverse a terrible wrong, regardless of the morality of the death penalty. But a week after he was arrested on a check-forging. You actually made a case for her identifying as a man with her attempted suicide, desire to be in the military, trying to be one of the gang, etc. He was born a girl but cut his hair short and styled himself as a boy. Teena was a victim of appalling men. They deposited him in his crib before they fled. Cowboys with six guns, Gangsters with Tommy guns, gang members with their Colors on the backs of their jackets. Please only use it for a guidance and Lana Tisdel's actual income may vary a lot from the dollar amount shown above. Rest in peace, Brandon, Lisa, and Philip. As a boy, Lotter scored 76 on a school IQ test, but he got only 67 on the one he took while incarcerated. RR, on Lana Tisdel and Her Mother: An Epilogue, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Greg Davis: Darlie Routiers No. Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. Nissen raped Teena first, Lotter was in the front seat and the way he was cheering on is beyond words. Not in the social register. Thats all for this post. Nobody is in school at that point, Lana having graduated the previous spring. I thought he was absolutely vile. NEED RELIABLE HELP! God rest their souls. OCCASIONS, These men killed 3 people. Im pro trans-rights. It was a girl, not a boy. What I would object to, per the above observation, is demand/enforcement/coercion of something that I should be free to offer as a kindness because it is, in fact, counter-factual for the reason you state. Finally, one of the last statements that Teena made was there is no Brandon, I am Teena. A hate crime is a crime that is motivated by prejudice on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, or other grounds.. After dinner, the others jumped him and beat him to a bloody pulp, and they robbed him. Well, maybe they did. His story of how they murdered Teena also evolves with his demented ego. You shouldnt call him a girl or use she/her. This is important because Tom Nissen is a repeat rapist. Teena Brandon dreamed about becoming an Outlaw. Lana was one of the key witnesses in the case because of her status as Brandon's girlfriend. Its shameful, in my view, to spend such a huge amount of money to keep people imprisoned more expensively only for the purpose of killing them, when there are people living in poverty on the streets Even if it only cost twice as much as for lifers, that would be a good reason on the abolishment side. Her mother Linda testified that Tisdel would be with Brandon all day, had trouble sleeping, and their relationship was all she cared about during that time. r: I need do nothing of the sort thankfully cos I live in a democracy which allows (just!) TB: God rest their souls indeed. For the love of god, call him a he. Lisa Lambert's name was changed to Candace in the movie. Please attend to what I stated above: Im happy to refer to people as they wish so long as Im not asked to deny biological sex., This digressive exchange certainly illustrates that some need to consider the clarity of their writing and the sex/gender topic is precisely one that both illustrates the need for precision and those it eludes. People traumatized by torture suffer in a certain way when they realize that they are going to be tortured again, and Lotter noticed and attempted to describe it, without knowing what it is. But a week later, when her father gave her a signed blank check to get a perm, Tisdel took it to a supermarket and filled it out for $250, the amount needed. Every judge every probation officer was practically begging her and giving her breaks to get her GED done. Teena was an awesome girl! BEING Nissen drove your car you was passenger to hwy 105 Humboldt, Ne. If you think that life of crime, addiction and mental illness is living authentically to masculine gender identity, I pity you. Lanas father, L.L. The baby was around 8 months old, so it couldnt incriminate them. In some cases children younger than 10 have been prosecuted as adults. It is also noteworthy that Teena Brandon came from a FAMILY, meaning from a large extended family with ties that bind. LANA by LANA, released 20 March 2020 1. The Harley riders then started sobering up and making their way over to police to surrender and hoping to cut a deal with prosecutor and get some leniency, none of them were real criminals. He failed to treat her underlying problems (and then a reasonably stabilized person could make a determination what they want). Third case (I am a railfan, partial to freight trains going far, far away). He once bolted from a courtroom trying to escape in shackles and got as far as the steps outside the Courthouse. Blown out and lonely. In Ca 10 years ago, it cost an extra $90,000 per inmate to imprison someone sentenced to death. Its too possible to apply it unequally and therefore unfairly assuming it COULD be justified. John Lotter is a very violent criminal. The latter film, a surprise hit, helped raise awareness of the intolerance faced by people in the LGBT community. THE COPS!! He does not mix up Teena Brandon with identity politics and offers the most information. Some of that same nonsense is applied to Teenaa case by liberal commentators who cant see the wood for the trees, Marcus, I agree with you one hundred percent. Brandon : Lana, you are one cranky girl. Instead of saying I am sorry I raped and murdered your daughter he writes I am sorry I took your daughters love away from you. I AM UNDER CONSTANT IVE RELOCATE, 3 Teena loved authority in the way of any good soldier who will fall in line and gladly stand at attention if the occasion calls for it. CITIZENS! I CANT TRUST THE LAW ENFORECEMENT COMMUNITY/ LOT OF ENEMIES FOR ME! Steve, do you know how many times Nissen and Lotter beat Teena during the Christmas Eve? Lotter said that he first met Teena when she walked up to him at the Oasis Bar and they talked and walked out to her car, got inside and shared a fifth of vodka. Please explain to me your interpretation of hermaphroditism and other conditions where the child is of ambiguous male/female categorization. Apart from the television works, this American has also appeared in movies. But the PC brigade decide that its THIS reason then starts sounding-off. Both young men had criminal records, and Teena had been staying with Nissen. For instance, according to Court testimony, Teena comes up to Lana Tisdels house, knocks on her door, and says something to the effect I spent a long time trying to find you, and Lana Tisdel lets Brandon inside and gives him a beer. Tisdel found out he was transgender after his birth name was printed in the local newspaper in the arrests section. It just gets a little confusing sometimes because you see a picture of him as a little girl and then as a teenage boy. AND we all know Lana's Mother HATED Brandon. [citation needed]. CONCERNED According to Wikipedia, Forbes, IMDb & Various Online resources, famous Celebrity Lana Tisdel's net worth is $1-5 Million at the age of 45 years old. Leslie Tisdel was vocal about the film's script changes, and upset that her boyfriend who was murdered, Phillip DeVine, was not included in the film, nor was she, and instead the film focused on Brandon Teena. To begin with, Teena had a different name for her male self, not the one you see on the internet. That cost him a brutal beating, at least thats what they claimed. Look at her mugshot. However, if you look on the internet, you will see a photo of Teena Brandon grinning maniacally, one hand holding her crotch, another arm wrapped around none other than Lotter, her hand is tightly grabbing Lotters shirt. Psychiatric instability, tumultuous family lives, absentee parents, trigger tempers, suicidal tendencies, foster homes, a fascination with lethal objects, juvenile detention, sexual promiscuity, substance abuse, crime (theft and attempted burglary for Lotter, arson for Nissen), prison.. Marriage while incarcerated should be abolished and prohibited. I didnt imply that Brandon wasnt a male at all because thats not what I think or wrote. I know that Brandon said to his mother before he was murdered, he believed Lana set him up to be raped. She earned the money being a professional Celebrity. One correction: Dominick Dunne is Joan Didians brother-in-law, not husband. Tisdel died in 2007 at the age of 71. At some point, Teena also introduced Tom Nissen to her sister. First, A Teen. Theyll make some statement to make you not scrutinize what happened like dont suffer any crazy conspiracy theories when their explanation is absolutely bonkers nuts. Later on, Lotter held Teena, while Nissen punched her. This article gets some things wrong, but it is great for background information. But the water was frozen, and police found the items the next day. It should be mocked and rejected as deeply dangerous. Its a side issue that she happened to be presenting as male at the time as if those scum needed that excuse to do what they did. Lotter also describes Teena was staring at him while Nissen was pulling her pants off at the party and was groping her. In August 2020, Lana suffered a new tragedy when her Ford pickup crossed a center line and fatally injured Chrysler minivan driver Glenn D. Aston in a head-on crash in Fairview, Kansas. Lana's Mom : [drunk on the sofa] Lana? Teena Brandon and Nissen drove to Lincoln, NE together on more than one occasion, once for Teenas Court appearance, and another time to see Teenas sister to get some money. FYI the pic of the woman is not Brandon before he transitioned. That whole town is sick. She took more religion electives in school than she did art. This implies nothing about how people should treat me, which I hope is decently and kindly, while I should be reasonable enough to accept that people cannot be *obliged* to accept and treat me as a woman in the contexts which impinge on their reasonable rights, such as to enjoy private space from males in using the lavatory or bathing (not that by any means all or even most women would be concerned, but some are, thus the clash of competing rights). The last time Lana Tisdels name came up in the press was the year 2000, when she settled a lawsuit with movie distributor Searchlight Pictures for an undisclosed sum. This is the problem with identity politics. For this is the flip side of identity fixation. It cant logically be both. Where tragedy applies there are parties wishing to exploit it for their own ends whether it be LBGT groups, so-called Christian conversion groups, race agitators, white supremacists, etc. I cant believe he wasnt tried and convicted also. You people need to have some respect. Tisdel died in 2007 at the age of 71. Lotter described an unusual look in Teenas eyes. They did it for their own benefit. Notice how no account of Teena Brandons life examines Teenas family to any extent. In Jones version Teena attends her birthday party, and only then goes to pick up Lana. Do you know who punches and kicks women in the stomach? That is why you see no academic papers about how they treated and attempted to heal Teena. Indeed, CA estimated then that is cost 10 times more than lifers cost. Both him and Nissen deserve a bullet to the back of the head, and it would be a kindness. You both was there so you both participated in it. Janice, I couldnt agree with you more. He got into drunken trouble again and his parents did not bail him out of jail. In addition to that, Nissen has come to see the light in that woman making love to a woman is beautiful, while two guys making love is sick and revolting. Lana M. Tisdel (born March 28, 1975) is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the 1993 murder of Brandon Teena was chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry. Thats all that matters. Hilary Swank was cast as Brandon and Chlo Sevigny as Lana, and the final result won over . Good point low intelligence is not an excuse for cruel behavior. Gay cousins had a car, an Oldsmobile. 100% They knew it was wrong the murder was a PUNISHMENT & it was completely premeditated. Ray was to honor her sister whom she loved, middle name Rae. Honestly thats what I had thought all these years. I disagree: unless s/hes a whole-lifer or capital case, so may be released, having something to live for is a positive influence in inmates lives, giving the incentive to behave and receive earlier parole, and as being positive for their mental health in a psychologically damaging environment. No, I post here, because that who Teena was and that is what happened to her. Im happy to refer to people as they wish so long as Im not asked to deny biological sex. thats literally transphobic. Brandon identified as male and wanted surgery for whatever reason maybe even so that more ignorant people would see him as a male. The world needs a hero, but everyone is waiting for some guy to come out of the sky and fix what is your responsibility and where it is highly likely the corrupt power structure invented or tainted that scenario just enough to make it suit their global aspirations. I look forward to brand new updates and will talk about this website with my Facebook group. It is a gray and overcast day, and the three of them are either smiling for the photographer or they are grinning. TRANSITIONED ON THE JOB! That, then, reflects a capacity to reason, to scheme and to that degree militates against the notion that they should not be considered culpable. John Lotter is an insect, a non-entity, nothing resembling a human being. Find your friends on Facebook. I really didnt know any true details about it. According to his own admission, Teena helped them to get on their feet financially and economically, when they got to Omaha, where were they, when Teena was desperately calling from Falls City to get out of there? Everyone wanted her to move and she had no place to go, also, for many reasons, she was not the easiest person to get along with. You are correct in that the need for meaningful conversation is now, more than ever, necessary but unable to happen. Its a specific form of violence used against women. That quid pro quo is what is truly missing in every aspect of our lives right now. They took a circuitous trip back to Falls City, so no one would see them returning from Humboldts direction. Teena died much harder and I believe that Lotter was the shooter. . Thank you for the heads-up Ill do some more research on the pic! Apart from these pinch points my gender change doesnt need to have much practical issue. There are military men who transitioned to female after they enlisted, but that is a smoke from another fire. Had there been another victim, with no special characteristic, equally egregiously murdered, would that be any less worthy of concern? His loved ones and a lot of idiots, LGBT types included, are trying to get him off the death row. In the context of the above does it make sense that Teena starts showering seven times a day with a complete change of clothing? BB: Thanks for your most engaging response. (Boys Dont Cry and The Brandon Teena Story). Maybe someones mind could be enlightened if they opened it instead of walking away. No, they told him. John Lotter shot and murdered the three people, how can you people be so gullible as to accept the word of a convicted felon who contradicted himself under oath? It costs more to house death row inmates, who are held in segregated sections, in individual cells, with guards delivering everything from daily meals to loo paper. I HAVE BEEN POISONED, RAN OVER BY A LARGE TRUCK, WHICH I SUFFERED A BROKEN NECK, TRAUMATIC SURVEILIANCE, WHAT SEEMS TO BE Guessing your wife is with you for carnal gratification definitely not intellectually based upon your intelligent statement.. Talk about back water to down trash. She corrected him and told him that she was Teena. Who here believes Lana Tisdel and her mother are the reasons for Brandon's death? I tried Facebook to look for someone on both sides but they dont want to talk about it anymore! How about I knock on your door and tell you that I been looking for a long time for you. WHERE ARE THE VICTIMS APPEALS TO THEIR HORRIFIC DEATHS?? Rehabilitations not in issue for these two, just permanent removal from society. You can try to twist your own transphobic narrative on this subject all you want, but Brandon exemplified in every way the accepted psycbosocial identity of a trans personhe lived and loved as a man at a time when transgender identities were dismissed and vilified as some sort of carnival sideshow or transgressive pervert, and ultimately that is why he was killedby ignorance arguably no different than your own. An interesting thought with someone who has an IQ of 67? Teena and Phil were trapped in Humboldt by poverty and homelessness. Nor does surgery or chemicals change ones essence. Tisdel (pictured above in her 20s), who had dated Brandon Teena who was born a girl named Teena Brandon but dressed and lived as a man also called out Boys Dont Cry for falsely portraying her as having been present during the shootings that killed Brandon, 22, and witnesses Lisa Lambert, 24, and Phillip Devine, 22, just before New Years Day of 1994. The next article you should look at is Carolyn Gages The Inconvenient Truth About Teena Brandon, which gives a good account of Teenas psychiatric symptoms and why she was hospitalized, and has a great reveal in the end. The coffin is pink and gray marble color, and it is noticeably short. Jones leaves stuff out. A final thought: Id be interested to know why they saved the baby. JoAnn received only $17,000, according to an account from writer Charles Laurence that ran in the (Ottawa) Citizens Weekly on April 2, 2000. Teena was running, both literally and figuratively. Her kidnapping, rape, and murder was a lot more brutal in real life, because the two were a lot closer to her than the film portrays. I have seen it occur before. We all wonder what on earth theyre doing the answer being fetishising the murderous/rapist/criminal object. Lotter and Nissen didn't initially realize that Brandon was transgender, and once they found out, they became obsessed with proving he had a vulva. Afterwards, Teena came to Tisdel's house, and Tisdel and her mother convinced him to speak to the police and go to the hospital. Great post. Apparently there is Teenas prison letter to Lana, where Teena is morosely doing time, pacing the cell and doing push ups and chin ups. Maury comes knocking. Dave: Thats certainly one consideration that administering death drags us down to the perps level (albeit that the administration is perhaps more civilised than theirs was) If the US must have it I favour it being done with brutal candour (not brutality): hanging, shooting, and the chair are all quick and painless when done competently and look like what they are: capital punishment. Certain things ptecipitated violence that had nothing to do with transphobia. Real Teena was an awesome individual who was tarred and feathered in the Falls City. Menu. Read an update on Lana Tisdel and her mother. Had this been in the military, it would have been seen as great military bearing, instead we have a defiant mug shot. Well as Jude, whom you aver agreement with, asserts Brandon was male, and you imply he WASNT male til the coming surgery (why mention it otherwise? Lana found out on December 12, when Teena drove her to Lincoln and introduced her to her sister. She has been married to Bachman, Joshua since December 6, 2001. This overrides punitive consideration. If I recall correctly, Nissen has two sex assault type charges on his rap sheet. After Brandon, 21, filed sexual assault charges, Lotter and Nissen decided to kill him in a case that became the subject of the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 movie Boys Dont Cry starring Hilary Swank. Teena was trying to join the U.S. Army as a radio communications technician, and she would have done well in the military, she had leadership potential. There are millions of tragic stories of cisgender women who have been victims of violent crimes, and weve offered our full measure of empathy towards them for our entire livesat the exclusion of seeing our own tragic stories offered any reciprocal respect. In addition, it wasnt sex abuse trauma that aggravated her condition. Point person. Nissen became engaged to a pen pal from Chicago in 2006, according to the Omaha World Herald. My impression was that this was about a girl posing as a boy as an experiment..! New development. With regards to Teena, Nissen made several statements to authorities about what he did to her and about his intentions for her, always using highly sexualized language, even when situation did not call for it, such as when he showed up at the police station trying to get Teenas bail revoked. I am not just saying the way you are saying it, he he trans he. Hes no Neil deGrasse Tyson, but he speaks distinctly, enunciating evidentiary hearing perfectly well, for example. Instead they were on the street and Brandon was the bad person. [8], Tisdel graduated from Falls City High School in 1993. There are situations where it doesnt matter who you think you are or you identify with you either handle it, or you dont, and Teena was responding emotionally to domestic violence, rape and beating as a girl. People do not talk about it, because they have something to hide. Its unclear whether Lotter and Nissen were ever employed or what they did otherwise to obtain beer and gas money before their arrests for murder. During the night when he was being hazed in, the entire club turned on him, and spent the night drinking, beating on and berating the newcomer. Its incoherent nonsense but its everywhere; and right- (with a small r) thinking people feel too cowed by vicious liberal intolerance to call a spade a spade and say wait a minute arent you getting a bit carried away? Tisdel was taken to Stormont Vail Hospital in Topeka, Kansas with serious injuries.[11][12]. The director of the film, Kimberly Pierce, worked on the script for many . A job you should never give an inmate, but here we are. Another takeaway from this is that just like Lana, Nissen knew that Teena was a girl before everyone else. Ive watched the entire worlds moral compass go south and its by design. It isnt. Teena Brandon really wanted to be a soldier. Gender identity is the gender a person identifies with or feels themselves to be, and is their own or a social construction. Just pointed out that you agree with Lotter and Nissen. L.L. You have no clue just how traumatized Teena Brandon was, how she was headed for statutory rape charges having to do with her dating and giving alcohol to fourteen year at age 20, 21, and little do you know, that had she made it to prison for the violation of probation charges, she had a chance of being involuntarily committed to a State Psychiatric Hospital. Teenas circumstances shout psychosocial mess. What I specifically reject is the notion she was somehow MORE victim or SPECIAL victim cos identity politics says she is via claiming it was a hate crime (hate crime attracting greater censure and punishment than the equivalent non-hate crime). Confrontation with Laux did not help, or it may have been people and pressure put on her by the criminals. If Nissen had raped other local girls before Teena and if pulling the pants off and groping was part of Nissens rape ritual, then Laux would have known this from his interviews of the previous rape victims. Aston was killed in the crash. I think its possible to deserve the death penalty without it being right to administer it but this is a debate for another time. The sheriff acted as if she deserved it agh. Thats why hes doing life & not death row. CA is unusual in taking quite so long Tx takes c 14 and even when appeals are exhausted they havent executed anyone for years, so there its pointless. Except, what homework? Turned to savages. After the Christmas night one of Lisa Lamberts friends called her Brandon. . TERRORIZED, Brandon : I hate your life, too. Everyone exploited Teena Brandons murder in the most disgusting way possible. 'We Are Who We Are' premieres on September 14, 2020. . She dressed, talked, walked and got into much trouble by identifying that way. Tough love. Three arrested after student Aya Hachem killed in drive-by shooting in Blackburn By the time he was 21, Brandon was identifying solely as a man and moved in with his 18-year-old girlfriend, Lana. Plus, its possible that Lotter is just bad at taking written tests. Maybe he is afraid of going to hell. Learn how and when to remove this template message, "FindLaw's Supreme Court of Nebraska case and opinions", http://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/Exclusive_John_Lotter_Death_Row_Interview_151736035.html, http://www.classmates.com/people/Lana-Tisdel/7602723794, Gary Bachman obituary, Falls City Journal, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lana_Tisdel&oldid=1120811829, Short description is different from Wikidata, BLP articles lacking sources from March 2015, Articles with unsourced statements from August 2022, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 8 November 2022, at 23:21. 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